NEW NOVA (several Centurian) and Guardians

[cosmicbooknews]

Jeph Loeb's Nova Is Peter Parker Says Axel Alonso; Richard Rider First For Ultimate Spider-Man?

[40yearoldNovafan]

Originally Posted by freddy1428

dpfeif

I see your point about Uatu, but I really like the Grey Alien, so for me it's positive to see a new look...but I can understand that you don't like that.

For Wacker, I can agree he can be a dick (and he seem very parano time to time), but it's so good to see CBR members taste their own medecine, and sincerely lot of peoples really deserve that (and apparently, because of your work, you know that better than everybody).

For Phyla, okay, but like I have said to Stingerman, I was sure that Wendell will comeback if cosmicbook comicbook have success...now it's not because of his return, or to have Phyla dead have made the cosmic comicbook better...it was the opposite (Annihilation and Conquest were imo way the best moment).

For Man of Steel trailer, I'm 100% agree with you, I really would have wished to have a colorful Superman like the comicbook, not a depressive fisherman, the movie look like dark and grey...and I'm also 1000% agree about the race/gender change (for me the worst example was Heimdall for Thor).

Happy to see Big negative Vibe for DC...

In the United States, employees get fired when they bad mouth the customer, even when the customer is rude. I'm a police officer, and someone can curse me out or call me dirty names, and if I return the comments, I would get severely reprimanded, suspended, or fired. I cannot arrest someone for being rude to me, either.

An employee is supposed to say something like "I'm sorry you feel that way" or "let's agree to disagree."

Could you imagine if Stan Lee had treated the fan base that way? Marvel would not be the power house it is today.

Jimmy

[Stingerman]

Originally Posted by edge13

Thanks
(we know Matt,we know you hate Sam/Marvel,no need to keep posting it over&over again)

Yes there is as a lot of folks that come to the site are new.

Never give in!

[Stingerman]

Originally Posted by edge13

you hear me Matt McGloin?i want to see you post similar article about Simon Baz/DC too,so you could proof me wrong that you're not some kind of DC spokesperson or the like
theres so many bad decision on DC too,so why could n;t it be reported too?

I've reported "bad" stuff about DC such as the Gail Simone Batgirl fiasco as well as my thoughts on the JLA 52 covers scam.

There was also the George Perez Man of Steel execs interference thing.

I've said numerous times how the DC editors screwed up everything about the New 52.

Regarding Baz, I'm not personally reading any of the GL stuff, right now, so I can't report on it. I'll work on it, though.

[cosmicbooknews]

Note: CBN Too Pro-DC Posts Moved Here.

[Stingerman]

Originally Posted by timelord

Seriously? Yet another defender of Marvel's marketing ploy to raid, kill, pillage, and burn the Nova concepts, pull out what they think will have mass market appeal, re-package it, and act like its new and important? Seriously?

Marvel has reduced "Nova" to a costume populated by a teenage Peter Parker personality. And this new design actually looks like a manga inspired costume rather than the uniform its supposed to be. That's why I coined the phrase NINO - a phrase that's gotten some traction. This is just derivative bull###t - Flash vs Peter, teen angst compensated for by a cocky attitude, a gee-whiz teen sidekick for the Avengers, etc.

Been there, done that, moved on to much better and more original storytelling.

I'm sure with all this hype the first issue will be a 50K - 80K seller at least if for no other reason than lots buy all variant covers even if they never read the book. After that, sales will probably and hopefully drop precipitously. And instead of blaming a lack of creativity and an alienation of the fan base for the books demise, Marvel will wrongly conclude that there's no market for "Nova." Fine. I'd rather have no Nova than NINO. And maybe some future writer will resurrect the real Nova.

Nova is not and was never meant to be Marvel's answer to GL - so other than the name "Corps" very little is shared. As originally characterized by Wolfman, the Nova Corps was an elite division of Xandar's military - not the pan-galactic police force ret-conned by later writers. Frankly, I prefer Wolfman's conception of the Nova Corps.

And Kyle Rayner has been sidelined as the fans demanded the return of Hal.

There's certainly a "Lone Ranger" element of Nova fandom; but my read is that most of the fandom would be fine with a Nova Corps and there being many Novas to base stories on as long as Rich was the leader as in DnA's run. Even I could begrudgingly accept Sam into such a mix as much as I hate the character.

But that's not what we're getting here. We're getting teen Peter Parker as "Nova" and a disrespectful treatment of the legacy. We're going from good cosmic storytelling to puerile Earthbound teen angst BS. This is a regression to a version of "Nova" vastly inferior to the 1976 original. That's what we're complaining about.

And this argument that we're "pre-judging" is more BS. We've had ample time to see Sam in action: 1 digital comic, a cameo in AvX, 2 short Point One stories, and an entire season of USM. I find Sam inferior in every way. The second season of USM began this week BTW and Sam got his ass handed to him by Doc Ock. A true Nova should be able to fry Doc Ock from a half-mile away. But that's what we have to look forward to as was pointed out in the article here at CBN - an inept teen "Nova" that nobody respects. NINO is truly a deserved label.

Yep, that's spot on and Marvel knows it.

That's why they are throwing everything at the new cosmic stuff.

They could stick anyone of our name's on these books and they would sell with all the promotion they are getting.

I wish they would have just created new characters and left Nova and GOTG alone, lol.

[cosmicbooknews]

Marvel Spoils Nova, Thanos Rising and Guardians of the Galaxy With Retailer Review

[dpfeif]

I read the part about sam's father, and I have to say "huh?". That made no sense. Is the new "Marvel Cosmic" on Earth 2 or something?

[Stingerman]

Originally Posted by dpfeif

I read the part about sam's father, and I have to say "huh?". That made no sense. Is the new "Marvel Cosmic" on Earth 2 or something?

I'm not up on my Nova lore.

So Sam's dad is (was?) a Nova Corp member, who left the Corps for whatever reason and leaves his helmet, which houses his power?

Is that how the Nova corps works? or can?

[40yearoldNovafan]

Originally Posted by Stingerman

I'm not up on my Nova lore.

So Sam's dad is (was?) a Nova Corp member, who left the Corps for whatever reason and leaves his helmet, which houses his power?

Is that how the Nova corps works? or can?

No, no, no. The power is not in the suit - not at all. And if Sam's father was a has been, why didn't he just put on the helmet giving power and do something great?

I see what they are going for. They are trying to re-do Richard's story, and Peter Parker's story. What if a normal guy who is down trodden all of a sudden gets this great power and becomes something great.

It has been something we have all enjoyed growing up. Something young boys used to fantasize about. But a lot of us are almost 50 and want to read about the hero we grew up with. And it seems Marvel is telling us Richard is no longer a viable or valuable character.

[dpfeif]

I don't get how Sam's dad was a Nova Corps member 15 years ago. Are they saying he was in the Corps before Rich was and then left?

[Stingerman]

Also, wasn't Rich the only Nova and housed all the WM?

Loeb's stuff isn't making any sense.

Not that we're surprised, though.

Obviously Wacker didn't bother reading up on Nova.

Another big surprise, lol.

[nova3333]

Originally Posted by dpfeif

I don't get how Sam's dad was a Nova Corps member 15 years ago. Are they saying he was in the Corps before Rich was and then left?

According to Marvel Time - itself always a debated subject - via Nova Prime Page chronology, Rich became Nova after being "deputized" by Rhoman Dey (Nova 1, Vol 1 1976) 8 YEARS AGO subjective. So if that's viable still - Sam's dad would have been the first Earth Nova - not Rich! Or - they've got their sums wrong and Sam's dad was deputized during the "gap" between Rom 24 when Rich renounced his powers - and later got them back after being "thrown of a roof" by Night Thrasher in New Warriors 1.

Alternatively Loeb and Wack-Job are just ignoring Marvel and Nova chronology entirely and resetting the clock so to speak. Either way - its a case of "he's been there and not seen or heard of till now" Unless of course Sam's dad also comes from an alternate timeline/universe and arrived in the 616 some years ago. Believe me even when writing nova619 - timelines can be tricky things to manage! Daz

[cosmicbooknews]

Marvel Editor Stephen Wacker Doesn't Want You To Buy Jeph Loeb's Nova...If

[cosmicbooknews]

Jeph Loeb Says Richard Rider Nova's Story Has Concluded

[timelord]

So either a Xandarian Nova has been on Earth for 15 years or a human Nova has been on Earth for 15 years - either way derelict in their duty? Sheesh! Just pulling this out of his ass isn't he?

Don't buy this shite guys. If you do, that's what we'll get from now on. Vote with your wallets and don't buy it.

[Dave Williams]

I'd like to put a vote of confidence in Matt as not being "Pro DC".

I think the ire and rankling that Marvel is getting for their new cosmic line (NINO especially) is justified. It's just louder than anything that DC is putting out.

If it's any consolation I'm a giant Larfleeze fan. Love me some Orange Lantern Corps. MINE! But I haven't bought a New Guardians book since #9.

Why? Because it wasn't going anywhere. At all. Rather boring.

But that's not a crime. It's just boring. They didn't kill Larfleeze and replace him with a random character on Earth who discovers an Orange Ring in the Arizona garage of his Dad's house who used to be the original Orange Lantern Corps owner before he broke free of the mania that comes with being the Orange Lantern Corps and decides to raise his son, Bobby, up.


See how dumb that sounds? Sounds the same with NINO.

And the fact that they sacrificed DnA's run to do so?

Look. I get it. progress needs to move forward. But this is the wrong way to do it. This is a vanity/ego thing alone. Nothing more. No one will convince me otherwise. The proof is there and all you need to do is connect the dots.

Either way, go Batman!

[Stingerman]

I really don't get why they had to bury Richard Rider for this new NINO Nova.

Rich could still be around in the far off reaches of space while this kid was spinning his webs.

And I agree, definite egos at play at Marvel.

[40yearoldNovafan]

Originally Posted by Stingerman

I really don't get why they had to bury Richard Rider for this new NINO Nova.

Rich could still be around in the far off reaches of space while this kid was spinning his webs.

And I agree, definite egos at play at Marvel.

Editorial believes in one Nova, as opposed to a corps. Again, they want to re-try to catch lightning in a bottle with the

"guy down on his luck, who believes he will never go anywhere, ends up going to the stars." This way, they can show all the wonderment from his point of view.

Richard no longer fits this model for them. He has been there and seen it all. He cannot do the "golly gee, shucks" any more.

Jimmy

[edge13]

Originally Posted by Stingerman

I really don't get why they had to bury Richard Rider for this new NINO Nova.

Rich could still be around in the far off reaches of space while this kid was spinning his webs.

And I agree, definite egos at play at Marvel.

same question like:"I really don't get why they had to bury Wendell Vaughn for this Phyla-Vell Quasar"?

just curious,if the decision for Sam came from DnA would you boycott him like this too?

[timelord]

Originally Posted by edge13

same question like:"I really don't get why they had to bury Wendell Vaughn for this Phyla-Vell Quasar"?

just curious,if the decision for Sam came from DnA would you boycott him like this too?

Yes. I would boycott any writer(s) who did this. Contrary to popular propaganda, none of us are DnA fanboys who'll lap up anything they produce. If you read some of my op-eds, I advocated the boycott of DnA's Annihilators and I haven't read any of the rest of the stuff they've done for Marvel. They happened to do the best interpretation of Nova since Wolfman's 1976 original and they listened to the fans, treated the characters legacy with respect, and cared about the character. In other words, they were the exact opposite of Loeb, Wacker, Alonso, Brevoort.

Shite is shite no matter who writes it. NINO is a bad idea disrespectful to the Nova fans and the Nova legacy. Loeb has Killed, raped, pillaged, and burned the Nova legacy. Reward it by buying NINO if you like - its your money - but no one should believe that buying NINO is going to get Rich Rider back. If anything just the opposite. Loeb has given the party line and its that Rich is "Bucky Dead" (i.e. dead for the foreseeable future - likely decades if not forever) and NINO is the new status quo like it or not. Wacker has repeatedly told us if we don't like it, don't buy it; so he's clearly not marketing established Nova fans. As far as I'm concerned, Loeb, Wacker, Alonso, Brevoort have all disrespected us to the Nth degree. The only way to change NINO as the new status quo is for NINO to fail miserably (and I mean fail as bad as the last bad idea - The Sentry) and for us to make sure Marvel knows that it failed because it was a bad idea and not what the fans want.

[Stingerman]

Originally Posted by edge13

same question like:"I really don't get why they had to bury Wendell Vaughn for this Phyla-Vell Quasar"?

just curious,if the decision for Sam came from DnA would you boycott him like this too?

Yeah, I did that with all the Phyla issues until Wendell came back.

[Stingerman]

Originally Posted by timelord

none of us are DnA fanboys who'll lap up anything they produce.

Exactly.

Now people, stop with the e-mails.

[Dave Williams]

Originally Posted by edge13

same question like:"I really don't get why they had to bury Wendell Vaughn for this Phyla-Vell Quasar"?

just curious,if the decision for Sam came from DnA would you boycott him like this too?

Hell Yes!

DnA have my respect as solid storytellers. But that's not always the case. Point to case, I absolutely found their Monark (Monarch?) Starstalker/killer/lover 2 parter extremely forced and boring as all get out. It was bad. Probably their worst effort in Nova.

But..........

Their worst is a lot better than a lot of "bests".

But no they don't get a pass "just because". We're loyal but we're not marks.

[40yearoldNovafan]

Originally Posted by Dave Williams

Hell Yes!

DnA have my respect as solid storytellers. But that's not always the case. Point to case, I absolutely found their Monark (Monarch?) Starstalker/killer/lover 2 parter extremely forced and boring as all get out. It was bad. Probably their worst effort in Nova.

But..........

Their worst is a lot better than a lot of "bests".

But no they don't get a pass "just because". We're loyal but we're not marks.

I did not care for the story or the artwork on the Star Stalker issues, either. I don't know of either of us who enjoyed it. They even made Nova look like a dope, especially after all the big guns he had fought.

Jimmy

[Stingerman]

Originally Posted by 40yearoldNovafan

I did not care for the story or the artwork on the Star Stalker issues, either. I don't know of either of us who enjoyed it. They even made Nova look like a dope, especially after all the big guns he had fought.

Jimmy

I'm guessing they new Nova was done for by then.

I don't know for sure, but I think word came down around War of Kings.

Could explain why no Nova and GoTG in WoK and then after we went into Realm of Kings which featured Quasar.

Again, just a guess, but every writer has a "bad" issue or two.

[40yearoldNovafan]

Originally Posted by Stingerman

I'm guessing they new Nova was done for by then.

I don't know for sure, but I think word came down around War of Kings.

Could explain why no Nova and GoTG in WoK and then after we went into Realm of Kings which featured Quasar.

Again, just a guess, but every writer has a "bad" issue or two.

They keep admitting that Loeb's Nova was years in the making. And I know DnA had more sci fi goodness to come.

[timelord]

Originally Posted by Stingerman

I'm guessing they new Nova was done for by then.

I don't know for sure, but I think word came down around War of Kings.

Could explain why no Nova and GoTG in WoK and then after we went into Realm of Kings which featured Quasar.

Again, just a guess, but every writer has a "bad" issue or two.

I think WOK and ROK were over-reach and put the final nails in the coffin of that era of cosmic. Nova and GotG both suffered during the WoK/RoK days. WoK/RoK were not that good and didn't really appeal to the cosmic fans or pull in more casual/non-cosmic fans. If DnA had concentrated on Nova/GotG and Marvel had given the kind of promotion to Nova/GotG now being given to NINO and Bendis' "Garbage of the Galaxy" we would likely still be enjoying Nova/GotG today.

[dpfeif]

The lack of our main cosmic heroes in WoK was disappointing, but the only storyline from DnA's cosmic I really didn't like was the first Annihilators mini. I swear it felt like an editor or someone rewrote their script (seems to happen quite a lot I hear, particularly at DC these days), because Quasar was WAY out of character in that, yet DnA seemed to have nailed it during his cameos in GotG and Nova.

[Stingerman]

Originally Posted by dpfeif

The lack of our main cosmic heroes in WoK was disappointing, but the only storyline from DnA's cosmic I really didn't like was the first Annihilators mini. I swear it felt like an editor or someone rewrote their script (seems to happen quite a lot I hear, particularly at DC these days), because Quasar was WAY out of character in that, yet DnA seemed to have nailed it during his cameos in GotG and Nova.

Yeah there was an editor change somewhere in there. Or maybe with Earthfall?

It went from Rosemann to Hulk editor Mark Paniccia.

Most likely explains why it turned out such a mess.

Not that Paniccia is bad or anything, just that things might not have went smooth.

Who knows, lol.